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pac vs mayweather
Topic Started: Dec 22 2009, 10:35 PM (502 Views)
Thai Boxer	Dec 22 2009, 10:35 PM Post #1
Bieber-Mania Posts: 4,067 Group: Members Member #52 Joined: October 21, 2005	pac won't agree to olympic style drug testing....which means randomly drawing blood tests. pac's argument is this is an attempt from mayweather to mentally mess with pac before the fight as pac is scared of needles (pussy) and that he'd only take a piss test (which in my understanding is far easier to cover up steroid use than blood tests) so the fight may not happen now
	Disclaimer: in no way was this statement intended to be racist or demeaning to anyone of any color or level of stupidity


Punisher	Dec 22 2009, 10:47 PM Post #2
THE ANDERSON OF 135!!!!!! Posts: 2,672 Group: Members Member #426 Joined: April 11, 2007	This shows Mayweather is scared why not just let it go the way these fights normally do...fuck the bulshit if your the best prove it
	TEAM NO CEILINGS(Because the sky is the limit) CAPTAIN - Fedor Emelianenko - Rogerio "Lil" Nogueira - Rodrigo "Big" Nogueira - Efrain Escudero - Jacare Souza - Matt Brown - Alan Belcher - KJ Noons -


Thai Boxer	Dec 22 2009, 10:56 PM Post #3
Bieber-Mania Posts: 4,067 Group: Members Member #52 Joined: October 21, 2005	Punisher Dec 22 2009, 10:47 PM This shows Mayweather is scared why not just let it go the way these fights normally do...fuck the bulshit if your the best prove it i disagree...he's not asking for much. in my opinion, Olympic style drug testing should be mandatory in boxing and mma. if that happens, we're more likely to see who is legit and who needs the juice to fight....though its far from foolproof...its at least a step in the right direction.
	Disclaimer: in no way was this statement intended to be racist or demeaning to anyone of any color or level of stupidity


Luis Cruz	Dec 22 2009, 11:12 PM Post #4
I'm the Juggernaut Bitch! Posts: 14,127 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: October 14, 2005	Yea JR there's a few people suspicious of Pac and i'm one, i liked the idea and thought there was no issue with it. He's full of shit and coupled with Freddie Roach's claim that Pac "doesn't even know what a steroid is" all but proves he's been juicing and if he don't take the fight cause of this it's so fucking obvious. Scared of needles, sure dude.
	*COMING SOON!!*


Punisher	Dec 22 2009, 11:16 PM Post #5
THE ANDERSON OF 135!!!!!! Posts: 2,672 Group: Members Member #426 Joined: April 11, 2007	If your the best then beat the man steroids or not....you know how many times in MMA people have tested positive after LOSING more times than the winners.
	TEAM NO CEILINGS(Because the sky is the limit) CAPTAIN - Fedor Emelianenko - Rogerio "Lil" Nogueira - Rodrigo "Big" Nogueira - Efrain Escudero - Jacare Souza - Matt Brown - Alan Belcher - KJ Noons -


Thai Boxer	Dec 22 2009, 11:21 PM Post #6
Bieber-Mania Posts: 4,067 Group: Members Member #52 Joined: October 21, 2005	Punisher Dec 22 2009, 11:16 PM If your the best then beat the man steroids or not....you know how many times in MMA people have tested positive after LOSING more times than the winners. you do realize that a significant portion of mma fighters are on steroids and never get caught because they cycle off early enough and combine the usage of the latest steroid masking agent, right? thats why random tests help cut down on that but its complex to keep up to date with the new masking agents as they are plentiful it seems.
	Disclaimer: in no way was this statement intended to be racist or demeaning to anyone of any color or level of stupidity


The Destroyer88	Dec 23 2009, 01:14 PM Post #7
CFZ Legend Posts: 5,697 Group: Members Member #175 Joined: January 8, 2006	Thai Boxer Dec 22 2009, 11:21 PM Punisher Dec 22 2009, 11:16 PM If your the best then beat the man steroids or not....you know how many times in MMA people have tested positive after LOSING more times than the winners. you do realize that a significant portion of mma fighters are on steroids and never get caught because they cycle off early enough and combine the usage of the latest steroid masking agent, right? thats why random tests help cut down on that but its complex to keep up to date with the new masking agents as they are plentiful it seems. I strongly disagree with this assumption. Just because someone is in better shape than you doesn't mean they are on steroids. Supplements, okay, I'll give that to you, but since when was that illegal? It's a combination of hard work, dedication, talent, and success that gets most top fighters where they are at now. This is still the land where you are innocent until proven guilty. It's easy to point fingers at people who are at the top because of the way they look. It's all speculation in my opinion. Is that to say that nobody doesn't cycle off of them? I'm sure there are a few top fighters that do and plenty of scrubs as well. But to suggest that a good portion of all MMA fighters do it is just silly IMO.



Thai Boxer	Dec 23 2009, 01:27 PM Post #8
Bieber-Mania Posts: 4,067 Group: Members Member #52 Joined: October 21, 2005	The Destroyer88 Dec 23 2009, 01:14 PM Thai Boxer Dec 22 2009, 11:21 PM Punisher Dec 22 2009, 11:16 PM If your the best then beat the man steroids or not....you know how many times in MMA people have tested positive after LOSING more times than the winners. you do realize that a significant portion of mma fighters are on steroids and never get caught because they cycle off early enough and combine the usage of the latest steroid masking agent, right? thats why random tests help cut down on that but its complex to keep up to date with the new masking agents as they are plentiful it seems. I strongly disagree with this assumption. Just because someone is in better shape than you doesn't mean they are on steroids. Supplements, okay, I'll give that to you, but since when was that illegal? It's a combination of hard work, dedication, talent, and success that gets most top fighters where they are at now. This is still the land where you are innocent until proven guilty. It's easy to point fingers at people who are at the top because of the way they look. It's all speculation in my opinion. Is that to say that nobody doesn't cycle off of them? I'm sure there are a few top fighters that do and plenty of scrubs as well. But to suggest that a good portion of all MMA fighters do it is just silly IMO. i would call you naive for that. not to be mean or anything. i think you are forgetting the fact that people do this for a living...for their career. only what, the top 1% or so actually make enough to live on for the rest of their life in mma? if you're trying to get into that top 1% or you're borderline...most who chose their career path are going to do whatever it takes to win...especially when they have bills and families to support. if you're on the top of the food chain and need to make sure you are competing at the highest level...the chance of you taking steroids is significantly higher..especially with the ability to cycle off in time combined with masking agents. when you need money to live...you will most likely do whatever it takes to get it. i think you'd be shocked at how many actually do it in mma
	Disclaimer: in no way was this statement intended to be racist or demeaning to anyone of any color or level of stupidity


The Destroyer88	Dec 23 2009, 05:03 PM Post #9
CFZ Legend Posts: 5,697 Group: Members Member #175 Joined: January 8, 2006	I just think it's silly to say that a portion of MMA fighters do this. I know it's out there, but you do know that people can be in great shape and not be on steroids, right? I don't think most fighters have that type of mentality that they'll do anything, legal or not, to win. They shouldn't have to think that way. Steroids don't = success. Barry Bonds was still a GREAT hitter without the steroids. Hell, the best fighter in MMA history is a small, pudgy, out-of-shape-looking Russian who has been dominating guys that are sometimes 40+ pounds heavier than him for a decade. But I guess his secret would be masking steroids? The media has brainwashed you into thinking that anybody that looks in great shape must be using something illegal. You can blame that on baseball mainly. Now any athlete with a hint of a six pack or a successful career must be juicing. The media went from thinking Tiger Woods was a shitty person one week to accusing him of using HGH the next. That's more like the fucking WWE mentality if anything. For a while there nobody would take a second look at you unless he were a huge steroid freak. Steroids didn't make guys like Hulk Hogan and Warrior good wrestlers, it just gave them size because without that size, they were nobodies and had no future in the huge man complex which was the early WWF days.



Thai Boxer	Dec 23 2009, 07:09 PM Post #10
Bieber-Mania Posts: 4,067 Group: Members Member #52 Joined: October 21, 2005	The Destroyer88 Dec 23 2009, 05:03 PM I just think it's silly to say that a portion of MMA fighters do this. I know it's out there, but you do know that people can be in great shape and not be on steroids, right? I don't think most fighters have that type of mentality that they'll do anything, legal or not, to win. They shouldn't have to think that way. Steroids don't = success. Barry Bonds was still a GREAT hitter without the steroids. Hell, the best fighter in MMA history is a small, pudgy, out-of-shape-looking Russian who has been dominating guys that are sometimes 40+ pounds heavier than him for a decade. But I guess his secret would be masking steroids? The media has brainwashed you into thinking that anybody that looks in great shape must be using something illegal. You can blame that on baseball mainly. Now any athlete with a hint of a six pack or a successful career must be juicing. The media went from thinking Tiger Woods was a shitty person one week to accusing him of using HGH the next. That's more like the fucking WWE mentality if anything. For a while there nobody would take a second look at you unless he were a huge steroid freak. Steroids didn't make guys like Hulk Hogan and Warrior good wrestlers, it just gave them size because without that size, they were nobodies and had no future in the huge man complex which was the early WWF days. there are numerous types of steroids and illegal substances that assist in weight cutting or muscle gain or strength gain, endurance, etc.... im not even talking about what the body looks like. guys like fedor can be on steroids as well....just depends what type and how long. steroids does not always equal ripped and huge. no, im not saying fedor is on streoids....im just saying his body type doesnt mean he isnt on steroids. kit cope was at 155 on steroids against rob mcculough. kit was not huge during that fight...he wasnt even anymore ripped than normal really. but the steroid he took was specifically for more endurance...which was his goal and he admitted it when he got caught. he had limited time to train due to his recent injury/surgery so he went on that specific steroid to assist in his endurance. again, my point being is that steroids doesnt always equal gumby juice like overeem...their are various types and potencies for various areas of improvement, not just all around huge/ripped. i also include substances like clen and winnies and such into the steroid category as they are illegal supplements that are typically used in combination with other types of steroids. when you have a family that you need to support and bills that need to be paid....you think a fighter who choose the path of fighting for his career is not going to take steroids when he knows his competition does it? i say if he isnt in the top 1% making tons of money as is...he will be doing whatever it takes to win. thats a fighters mentality...whatever it takes to win. losing means his career could be over...he cant support his family or pay bills. put yourself in those shoes. thats why i could never be a fighter...i dont know how my body could hold up nor do i want to be put in a position that i have to do various things to try and make sure i win and make the money to support my future family so i can actually retire someday with my body and brains still. Edited by Thai Boxer, Dec 23 2009, 07:13 PM.
	Disclaimer: in no way was this statement intended to be racist or demeaning to anyone of any color or level of stupidity


The Destroyer88	Dec 23 2009, 08:18 PM Post #11
CFZ Legend Posts: 5,697 Group: Members Member #175 Joined: January 8, 2006	I get all that, but how is it that we live in the land of you are innocent until proven guilty and we still have people like you who have no proof whatsoever, but you find some excuse to say that a relatively big amount of MMA fighters are somehow involved with steroids? Why can't it just be fighter a beats fighter b and be done with it? If fighter a or b fails a piss test, then you can trash on them. If they used some masking substance the truth will eventually come out. Until then I just find it stupid to assume that a good amount of fighters do it because other athletes in other sports who get paid 100 times more than average MMA fighters do abuse the system. The fact is, and everybody with half a brain knows this, you don't get into MMA for the money. Even as popular as the sport is now, the money just isn't there. So if you picked MMA as your career choice, don't bitch to me about not making money and not being able to support your family. So to destroy your image by using steroids when you have tons more to lose than to gain, in a sport where the average fighter gets twenty grand every three months.....it's just stupid, and I'm sure I'm not the only person who thinks that way. Performance enhancing drugs don't equal success. So even if you do use something and you end up losing, you just look like a punk.



Thai Boxer	Dec 23 2009, 08:48 PM Post #12
Bieber-Mania Posts: 4,067 Group: Members Member #52 Joined: October 21, 2005	The Destroyer88 Dec 23 2009, 08:18 PM I get all that, but how is it that we live in the land of you are innocent until proven guilty and we still have people like you who have no proof whatsoever, but you find some excuse to say that a relatively big amount of MMA fighters are somehow involved with steroids? Why can't it just be fighter a beats fighter b and be done with it? If fighter a or b fails a piss test, then you can trash on them. If they used some masking substance the truth will eventually come out. Until then I just find it stupid to assume that a good amount of fighters do it because other athletes in other sports who get paid 100 times more than average MMA fighters do abuse the system. The fact is, and everybody with half a brain knows this, you don't get into MMA for the money. Even as popular as the sport is now, the money just isn't there. So if you picked MMA as your career choice, don't bitch to me about not making money and not being able to support your family. So to destroy your image by using steroids when you have tons more to lose than to gain, in a sport where the average fighter gets twenty grand every three months.....it's just stupid, and I'm sure I'm not the only person who thinks that way. Performance enhancing drugs don't equal success. So even if you do use something and you end up losing, you just look like a punk. you dont get into mma for the money? most people get into it for a career path....i dont know what you are saying not for the money. you think they all want to have to have 2 side jobs while trying to train for a fight? why do you think fighters bitch about the low paydays of UFC compared to the other organizations? come on now...are you seriously saying that you dont think the fighters take a career path in MMA dont have money on their mind first and foremost? how do you think they pay their camps to train them? how do they pay their bills and support their families? you live in illinois....go train for a few months at extreme couture in lombard, a few at top notch in elmhurst, overtime in naperville, or even currans in crystal lake. get to know the fighters and how badly they want to win and be in the UFC. Listen to them complain about their side jobs and how they are struggling to pay bills....than tell me they wont do steroids or currently arent doing steroids. so how do i know? i know fighters and camps. many people who do steroids arent quiet enough about it...they do whatever they can to win. if you want to think its a clean sport...than to each their own. i wish it was...which is why i want olympic style testing to help clean the sport up a bit.
	Disclaimer: in no way was this statement intended to be racist or demeaning to anyone of any color or level of stupidity


The Destroyer88	Dec 23 2009, 09:26 PM Post #13
CFZ Legend Posts: 5,697 Group: Members Member #175 Joined: January 8, 2006	You can be at the top all you want, that doesn't for sure mean you are going to make enough money to support your family. Shane Carwin is a PERFECT example. The guy still works full time because the money he gets from MMA isn't enough to live off of. If he didn't have the full time job and the UFC didn't give him a fight for half a year, he'd be screwed. You get into basketball for the money, you get into football and baseball for the money. You get into MMA because you truly like it. The reality is there is hardly ANY money in MMA unless you are on top of the biggest stage. That means that you have to hope that whatever you put in your body will let you get past the local shows, the up and coming shows, and the shows where the big boys play just to have a chance of making it into a decent amount of money. You can be an A level fighter but not have the look and end up going home with 30k. And its not even guaranteed that you will fight for another six months. Just look at guys like Franklin and Jardine for example. They've both headlined fights and what do they have to show from it? Yeah, Franklin's got a huge house. You can thank his teaching career which paid very well. He certainly didn't get into the sport for the money.



Thai Boxer	Dec 23 2009, 09:52 PM Post #14
Bieber-Mania Posts: 4,067 Group: Members Member #52 Joined: October 21, 2005	so you are also saying that mma fighters arent money hungry so in your opinion only a few of the outcasts actually would ever consider doing steroids, let alone actually do it, but the majority of them would never do it nor ever consider it? is that right?
	Disclaimer: in no way was this statement intended to be racist or demeaning to anyone of any color or level of stupidity


Luis Cruz	Dec 24 2009, 05:22 PM Post #15
I'm the Juggernaut Bitch! Posts: 14,127 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: October 14, 2005	Mike is absolutely right and to think differently is wishful thinking and naive. Sure some are clean but a lot get away with it. As for this this should ne the norm for all sports. A blood test detects and is way harder to beat or impossible if timed right than a urine test. If this falls thru cause of this Pac is guilty and has no confidence without using whatever he's using, end of story.
	*COMING SOON!!*


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